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The George W. Bush Library: asset or albatross?

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For some time SMU has pursued the George W. Bush Presidential Library. We assume this quest will not likely change. Nor do we doubt that the best interests of the university are honored in the minds of SMU's administration. Indeed, we have great respect for SMU's present leadership and its many remarkable achievements....

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Mei Guo

posted 11/13/06 @ 2:56 PM CST

Here here! What is the administration of SMU doing leaving us students out of this? (I don't just mean students that will agree with the SMU Administration either!)

Tim

posted 1/18/07 @ 6:26 PM CST

Excellent op-ed! Hats off to the authors and the paper for publishing it. Bravo!

jdyoub

posted 1/20/07 @ 10:44 AM CST

I think it is sad that professors at SMU believe what Al Gore, George Clooney, and other "celebrities" preach in Hollywood. SMU has an excellent Anthropology school. Learn about the ice ages, go visit China an India, then determine, then pass your judgement.
As for the war in Iraq, history will pass judgement, and what will we learn from it? Did UT do a good job capturing history and lessons learned from the Vietnam war Pres. Johnson and Kennedy got us into? Did UT do a good job, and does SMU debate this with them? Is SMU up to the task of creating lessons learned from the Iraq war?

Decide what kind of school you want SMU to be, a leader or school of sheep lead by Hollywood?

Originally posted by

Tim

Excellent op-ed! Hats off to the authors and the paper for publishing it. Bravo!

jdyoub

posted 1/19/07 @ 11:06 AM CST

Response to article on proposed Bush Library from two SMU faculty members

Last time I checked, History is still being written regarding the current Presidency. Good or bad, SMU has a chance to capture this for future generations. Much like the University of Texas and Texas A&M have done regarding their past presidents, good or bad, they have captured the history.

As for comments about global warming in your article, I took Anthropology at SMU and was taught the last ice age ended 10K years ago. The earth has been warming up ever since. Scientist do not know why, can only speculate. There were no GM SUV's being built in Arlington TX back then, so they were not the cause.
Fact.
I have been to China and India and have seen how much raw, unfiltered coal pollution they put out into the air every day. The sun is blacked out and day looks like night. If you think watching a political documentary by Al Gore is fact about global warming, visit the world of China and take your own Anthropology class at SMU.

As for the war in Iraq, we had one administration that chose to do nothing - (we are talking history, I believe something SMU views as an important subject). The World Trade Center was first bombed in 1993. The U.S. Cole ( A U.S. Warship) was attacked in 2000, and countless other attacks on U.S. embassies and facilities abroad from 1993 to 2000.
The U.S. did nothing. There is a library in Arkansas that documents this. Was it right or wrong?

Then 3000 people were killed in New York and the Pentagon in 2001. Now, we are doing something. Is it right or wrong?

Well, my kids will learn and experience that fact down the road (and I suspect I will too if I live long enough - kind of like learning who really killed JFK in 2017 or whenever our Govt. decides to release those records).
However, Sadaam Hussein will no longer threaten my kids nor my family from afar (nor will he threaten the Shite's nor the Kurds), nor harbor Al-Qaeda leaders like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. I already have drawn the conclusion that 8 years of no response lead to 9/11, much like the great acts of appeasement by Mr. Chamberlin. But, that is my opinion. What will the history teachers teach us about 9/11? Will SMU take part in this? Will SMU lead this history debate?

And I would rather my kids not get attacked by some airplane flying into their place of work 20 years from now guided by one of Saddam's henchmen or an Al Queda operative he is providing refuge to. Again, my opinion, not a fact.
Facts will come from history and what we experience over the next 20 - 40 years or more. I hope they are teaching history about the Vietnam War now at SMU and President Johnson's legacy, but I don't know. How many Vietnamese did he kill and to what purpose? How many did the French kill before President Johnson? Who is generating that history lesson? Who is preserving my uncle's legacy for his three tours of duty in Vietnam, for a war he did not vote for nor that Congress declared? I am hoping the UT faculty and Johnson library have these facts, and historians are writing their lessons for our current generation, or at least debating the subject. I am hoping that is what Acadamia still does in America.

The library will be one place where present day decision and policy will be kept, right or wrong. But decision are being made, not "no decision" as has been recorded from 1993 to 2000 regarding the war on terror.
The easy decision for any politician is no decision. I see that from politicians at my work place everyday, pretending to be managers. However, they are not considered the leaders of the company by the employees. Fact.
What kind of leader does America want and which one did America vote for and why? Who will document this and debate this? SMU?
From 2001 to today, history is still being written, and a teaching institution offered the opportunity should gather the documents, policy, and the data, and debate and draw their own conclusions, and also let the public and future generations visit and learn, and decide what was right or wrong.

Some of the good things people forget from 2001 to today (that I hope somebody captures for the history books): Unemployment swells, a recession, and almost the collapse of our Airline industry occurred after 9/11. I traveled to Atlanta in October 2001. DFW was like a ghost town. Airplanes lined up wing tip to wing tip on the tarmac, empty and dark. I hope somebody has pictures of this for the library. Travelers and vacationers staying home because we were all afraid of the big, bad Jihad boogeyman. I took a trip to Mexico in November 2001, it was not much better.
We recovered from that dark point in time through leadership, through tax cuts, through aggressive back to work legislative bills, and from aggressive security upgrades. Does anybody have picture of DFW airport from 2002 or 2003? Thus far, the U.S. has been successful in keeping our enemies out of this country. Back in 2001, every expert said "it wasn't a question of if we would be attacked again, but when."

History will show whether the steps taken in 2002 and 2003 were right or wrong. However, for those folks at DFW airport, American Airlines, the travel industry, and people like myself who provide computer equipment to those people, I am thankful I did not lose my job during those dark times in U.S. History after 9/11. My daughter was born in 2002 and I did not have to go scrounging for medical insurance because I still had a job, and a President that acted swiftly to help this industry recover. Right or wrong.

This history should be captured and remembered for future generations. For all the factory workers in Arlington TX that build GM SUV's, they should be thankful the U.S. did not get pulled into any global agreements on CO2 control that does not address the real culprits, India and China. My opinion. Who will write the facts for the history books and teach future generations? Who will take the pictures of the GM workers in Arlington that have prospered the past 6 years? Who will debate this point for future generations?

No president is perfect, no legacy is perfect, no point in time in U.S. history is perfect (albeit many older people I talk to who are Caucasian believe the 50's were perfect and believe the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations were the best - and life was wonderful and simple, and "everybody loved the U.S."). I am Hispanic, and would disagree the 50's were the Golden years for the U.S. based on my own parent's treatment and prejudice applied to them during those times. I believe the Russians and the Cubans would also disagree.

However, negative events should not stop Presidential libraries from that era from going up to record that history. Just as negative events from teh Johnson administration did not stop the University of Texas.
The good thing about the U.S. is that people learn, they adapt, and we try to correct our past mistakes. But those mistakes or issues have to be captured somewhere and the lessons learned need to be taught somewhere.
The U.S. history is what it is, good and bad.
Based on your opinion, or your own personal experience or agendas, many people will draw their own conclusions.
Time will tell.
However, The custodians of that history should be mindful, and any historian grateful, if they can participate in the preservation and future learning and teaching of that history for future generations. I believe that is why we have private Academic institutions for higher learning, teaching the good with the bad. At least that is what the faculty at SMU taught me back in 1983 (when Reagan was considered the Cowboy and the war-monger by some faculty at SMU) - The SMU faculty gave me high honors for learning about this way of thinking when I graduated, I hope they were not wrong. At least my employeer likes the way I think.
Maybe it was right, maybe it was wrong.

My opinion.

jdyoub

posted 1/20/07 @ 10:46 AM CST

Checking for other comments?
Originally posted by

jdyoub

Response to article on proposed Bush Library from two SMU faculty members

Last time I checked, History is still being written regarding the current Presidency. Good or bad, SMU has a chance to capture this for future generations. Much like the University of Texas and Texas A&M have done regarding their past presidents, good or bad, they have captured the history.

As for comments about global warming in your article, I took Anthropology at SMU and was taught the last ice age ended 10K years ago. The earth has been warming up ever since. Scientist do not know why, can only speculate. There were no GM SUV's being built in Arlington TX back then, so they were not the cause.
Fact.
I have been to China and India and have seen how much raw, unfiltered coal pollution they put out into the air every day. The sun is blacked out and day looks like night. If you think watching a political documentary by Al Gore is fact about global warming, visit the world of China and take your own Anthropology class at SMU.

As for the war in Iraq, we had one administration that chose to do nothing - (we are talking history, I believe something SMU views as an important subject). The World Trade Center was first bombed in 1993. The U.S. Cole ( A U.S. Warship) was attacked in 2000, and countless other attacks on U.S. embassies and facilities abroad from 1993 to 2000.
The U.S. did nothing. There is a library in Arkansas that documents this. Was it right or wrong?

Then 3000 people were killed in New York and the Pentagon in 2001. Now, we are doing something. Is it right or wrong?

Well, my kids will learn and experience that fact down the road (and I suspect I will too if I live long enough - kind of like learning who really killed JFK in 2017 or whenever our Govt. decides to release those records).
However, Sadaam Hussein will no longer threaten my kids nor my family from afar (nor will he threaten the Shite's nor the Kurds), nor harbor Al-Qaeda leaders like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. I already have drawn the conclusion that 8 years of no response lead to 9/11, much like the great acts of appeasement by Mr. Chamberlin. But, that is my opinion. What will the history teachers teach us about 9/11? Will SMU take part in this? Will SMU lead this history debate?

And I would rather my kids not get attacked by some airplane flying into their place of work 20 years from now guided by one of Saddam's henchmen or an Al Queda operative he is providing refuge to. Again, my opinion, not a fact.
Facts will come from history and what we experience over the next 20 - 40 years or more. I hope they are teaching history about the Vietnam War now at SMU and President Johnson's legacy, but I don't know. How many Vietnamese did he kill and to what purpose? How many did the French kill before President Johnson? Who is generating that history lesson? Who is preserving my uncle's legacy for his three tours of duty in Vietnam, for a war he did not vote for nor that Congress declared? I am hoping the UT faculty and Johnson library have these facts, and historians are writing their lessons for our current generation, or at least debating the subject. I am hoping that is what Acadamia still does in America.

The library will be one place where present day decision and policy will be kept, right or wrong. But decision are being made, not "no decision" as has been recorded from 1993 to 2000 regarding the war on terror.
The easy decision for any politician is no decision. I see that from politicians at my work place everyday, pretending to be managers. However, they are not considered the leaders of the company by the employees. Fact.
What kind of leader does America want and which one did America vote for and why? Who will document this and debate this? SMU?
From 2001 to today, history is still being written, and a teaching institution offered the opportunity should gather the documents, policy, and the data, and debate and draw their own conclusions, and also let the public and future generations visit and learn, and decide what was right or wrong.

Some of the good things people forget from 2001 to today (that I hope somebody captures for the history books): Unemployment swells, a recession, and almost the collapse of our Airline industry occurred after 9/11. I traveled to Atlanta in October 2001. DFW was like a ghost town. Airplanes lined up wing tip to wing tip on the tarmac, empty and dark. I hope somebody has pictures of this for the library. Travelers and vacationers staying home because we were all afraid of the big, bad Jihad boogeyman. I took a trip to Mexico in November 2001, it was not much better.
We recovered from that dark point in time through leadership, through tax cuts, through aggressive back to work legislative bills, and from aggressive security upgrades. Does anybody have picture of DFW airport from 2002 or 2003? Thus far, the U.S. has been successful in keeping our enemies out of this country. Back in 2001, every expert said "it wasn't a question of if we would be attacked again, but when."

History will show whether the steps taken in 2002 and 2003 were right or wrong. However, for those folks at DFW airport, American Airlines, the travel industry, and people like myself who provide computer equipment to those people, I am thankful I did not lose my job during those dark times in U.S. History after 9/11. My daughter was born in 2002 and I did not have to go scrounging for medical insurance because I still had a job, and a President that acted swiftly to help this industry recover. Right or wrong.

This history should be captured and remembered for future generations. For all the factory workers in Arlington TX that build GM SUV's, they should be thankful the U.S. did not get pulled into any global agreements on CO2 control that does not address the real culprits, India and China. My opinion. Who will write the facts for the history books and teach future generations? Who will take the pictures of the GM workers in Arlington that have prospered the past 6 years? Who will debate this point for future generations?

No president is perfect, no legacy is perfect, no point in time in U.S. history is perfect (albeit many older people I talk to who are Caucasian believe the 50's were perfect and believe the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations were the best - and life was wonderful and simple, and "everybody loved the U.S."). I am Hispanic, and would disagree the 50's were the Golden years for the U.S. based on my own parent's treatment and prejudice applied to them during those times. I believe the Russians and the Cubans would also disagree.

However, negative events should not stop Presidential libraries from that era from going up to record that history. Just as negative events from teh Johnson administration did not stop the University of Texas.
The good thing about the U.S. is that people learn, they adapt, and we try to correct our past mistakes. But those mistakes or issues have to be captured somewhere and the lessons learned need to be taught somewhere.
The U.S. history is what it is, good and bad.
Based on your opinion, or your own personal experience or agendas, many people will draw their own conclusions.
Time will tell.
However, The custodians of that history should be mindful, and any historian grateful, if they can participate in the preservation and future learning and teaching of that history for future generations. I believe that is why we have private Academic institutions for higher learning, teaching the good with the bad. At least that is what the faculty at SMU taught me back in 1983 (when Reagan was considered the Cowboy and the war-monger by some faculty at SMU) - The SMU faculty gave me high honors for learning about this way of thinking when I graduated, I hope they were not wrong. At least my employeer likes the way I think.
Maybe it was right, maybe it was wrong.

My opinion.

Revd Sam McBratney

posted 2/02/07 @ 7:11 AM CST

Many of the comments in this article appeared in the British newspaper, The Guardian, which is how I ended up at this site! As a Methodist minister I wanted to add my thanks and congratulations to the two authors of this piece. For too long, I have been somewhat embarassed that George W. Bush claims the title Methodist. Now, at last, there are critical Methodist voices reaching the UK, showing how out of touch 'Dubya' is with the denomination.

I trust that William McElvaney and Susanne Johnson are not unique and truly represent Methodist belief on that side of the Atlantic.

D Mayard

posted 2/03/07 @ 7:44 AM CST

With all this hype, of what does the "Bush Library" consist? By that I am asking what material or types of material is/are covered. And why would the opinion of Mrs. George W. Bush be considered? She is a non-entity, as far as I am concerned and rates an even lower consideration than the President. At any rate, my opinion is that President George W. Bush should purchase a building for his "collection" or construct a building on his "ranch."

Julie Haase

posted 2/03/07 @ 1:20 PM CST

I cannot believe that intellegent people would not understand the immense advantages of having a presidential library on a college campus no matter the president's "worthiness". As an SMU graduate, I am very excited about the prospect of Bush's library being located on the SMU campus. Hopefully, the people who are being guided by their dislike of this president will not keep SMU from having this feather in its cap! And remember, history often views people differently than present polls - the history of George W. Bush has yet to be written.

Chuck Ricks

posted 2/13/07 @ 6:40 AM CST

As an active member of the United Methodist Church, I am one of the more than 10,000 signers of the "ipetition" who are overwhelming opposed to the establishment of a Bush Library. The failed legacy of this one president will last longer than the morter and bricks of any ediface constructed to chronicle the illegal and immoral acts of George W. Bush. The actions of Mr. Bush are in total opposition to the Social Principles of our church. Mr. Bush rebuffed the Council of Bishops, Pope Paul II, the United Nations, leaders of other nations, and engaged in acts which, if he were any other person, would cause him to be brought before a war tribunal. His war has now taken more American lives than were lost on September 11. He has lied to the people, trampled our Constitution and squandered billions of dollars on a needless war effort which has yet to produce any benefit for any human on earth other than officials of Haliburton. If it is dollar signs the SMU Trustees are looking at, I would hope that they see the loss of dollars which the University will lose to lack of prestige, lack of faculty recruitment and retention, lack of advertising dollars, lack of alumni contributions, lack of sponsorships, lack of collaboration, lack of parental tuition and on and on. Most importantly, I would hope that SMU consider the broader implication of prostitution of integretity. Once you sell your soul, can you ever buy it back?

Paul DaVia

posted 2/23/08 @ 1:46 AM CST

The George W Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages. You'll want to be the first at your corporation to make a contribution to this great man's legacy.

So far, the library will include:

The Supreme Court Appreciation Room for their "supreme" wisdom in deciding to elect George Bush as President in spite of the actual results.

The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction.

The Presidential Awards Room in an Alice in Wonderland motif. If you really mess up, you receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom, Patriots Award or a Presidential Pat on the Back: George Tenet, Paul Bremer, Paul Wolfowitz, "Good Job, Brownie."

The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you can't remember anything.

The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don't even have to show up.

The 9/11 Room where you hear the FBI phone recordings saying "They're taking flying lessons and don't want to learn how to land?" "So what?

The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room (which no one has been able to find).

The Osama Bin Laden Room (also not found.)

The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you to go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tours.

The USS Abraham Lincoln Flight Deck mock up with a wax figure of President Bush at the microphone and the "Mission Accomplished" Banner.

The Walter Reed Hospital Dormitory Room--so much mold, they don't let you in.

The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don't let you out.

The Extraordinary Rendition Room where the "water boarding" torture is explained and demonstrated.

The Magna Carta Room showing the Right of Habeas Corpus scratched out.

The FISA Room with hourly phone tapping lessons.


The Dick Cheney Wing, in the famous undisclosed location, complete with Shooting Gallery, Valerie Plame Outing Closet and the Cheney "blind" trust Haliburton Profits Counting Annex. Special fireproofing will be provided.

The Supreme Court Nominee Vetting Room reenactments: Repeat after me: "Business can do no wrong. Business can do no wrong. Business can do no wrong." "Lay them off just before retirement? Just good business." Pay women the same as men? Why?" "I am not a judicial activist--I will only interpret the Constitution."

Plans also include: The K-Street Project Gift Shop - where you can buy a large tax break if you are in the oil business or really, any big business.

To highlight the President's accomplishments, the museum will have an electron microscope to help you locate them. This library will have no books.

When asked, President Bush said that he didn't care so much about the individual exhibits as long as his museum was better than his father's.

John

posted 5/17/08 @ 1:09 AM CST

Since George Bush is so unpopular, please tell me who in the world would
really visit his library? The american people can't wait till he leaves
office, so why would they visit his library? It's an honest question....
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