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Celebrate Recovery: Ted Haggard

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The recent storm formed by the actions of Ted Haggard, pastor and Evangelical leader, is undoubtedly a moral dilemma sending disappointment into the very hearts of Christ's followers everywhere. It is a bonafide shame. There is no doubt that the unfortunate and immoral example exhibited by Ted Haggard is wrong....

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Scott

posted 11/09/06 @ 12:13 AM CST

Please say this is satire. If so, well done. If not, please attempt to leave the ten-mile radius in which you currently find yourself trapped. You are overwhelmed by horrible, debilitating ideology, which, while promising a pathway to enlightenment, will only prove the foundation for a skewed, ignorance-filled, hateful life spent fighting the uncontrollable realities of existence for a cause which you believe empowers you though, in reality, only holds power over you.

I do not expect to change your mind on this, and I realize how silly it is to voice such an opinion through this particular medium; however, I can only wish that you and your ilk would attempt to move outside the strict confines of your comfort zone and perhaps realize how truly limited your field of vision is and how your frame of reference, ostensibly, works only for a limited population in a fairly specific piece of geography: this is not because you are special or God-chosen; rather, you are the gate-keepers of the power structure that maintains global poverty, creates and sustains war, and, in general, prohibits mankind from reaching peace and understanding. You are the demon you wish to conquer.

Jordan T

posted 11/09/06 @ 12:39 PM CST

I was horrified when this article was brought to my attention. I thought he surely must have been kidding. Over 1/4 of the gay population has slept with over 1000 people. Those statistics are completely fabricated. As a certified Sexuality and Gender councilor, I can say with unwavering certainty that I can count one hand the number of people I have encountered that have had sexual relations with that many people, most of them being heterosexual males. It astonishes me that someone can be so blind. To buy into fundamentalist propaganda like this is both ignorant and ill informed. As a gay man I can tell you there is not a single person who "chose" to be gay. There is definitive proof that sexual diversity is genetic. Check you facts and sources before you quote them. As a columnist I am no stranger to controversy (as I create much of it), but this is just down right stupidity. You have every right to voice your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.

Britt

posted 11/09/06 @ 1:40 PM CST

Wow, we have just seen social suicide first hand. I'm actually shocked that the newspaper published this. Most likely they did it for the drama it would create. What a narrow minded idiot.

Fernando P.B.

posted 11/09/06 @ 9:51 PM CST

I am first of all outraged that although this is a free country, people still have the FREEDOM TO HATE. However, this does not surprise me at all here at Southern Millionare's University, or sorry SMU, since biggotry can pretty much go hand in hand with most white, male, privileged, republican, bush-loving, evangelicals who live thier lives for a book of myths rather than trying to connect with fellow human beings. If these sad, sad people feel so much pity and remose for men who love men, or women who love women, they should create their own little utopia in Alabama (I think they would all fit, and the people there already have their hill-billy twang) or something so that no-one will bother them. But while I am trying to get my education at this most southern, methodist, university, people like this idiot should keep in mind that we dont all want to stay within the confines of this now decaying (haha theyre not in power!!!) bible belt. As a student of history myself, I hate to say that this guy has learned nothing from his studies, not to worry though, his days of getting drunk with his frat buddies will pay off when he gets a job at dad's firm, marries an art history major princess and buys a house in well, University Park...

and so the cycle continues.....and so the cycle continues

may god (whomever she is) forgive him for his ignorance.

Reed Hanson

posted 11/09/06 @ 10:10 PM CST

I probably shouldn't respond given that there was no factual basis for any of these responses to Mr Allsup's article. But I feel obliged to given the unwarranted character assassination present in these comments.

You'll notice the common theme to the comments is "oh what an idiot. this is hate, hate, hate." I think there is incredibly irony in the fact that the articles Mr Allsup has written the past couple of weeks are neither virulent nor mean-spirited. The truth hurts, and we all hate it when someone speaks into our personal lives and tells us that our actions are destructive. Even when they do it because they desire better for us, as in this case.

I would encourage Jordan T to provide some factual basis for his assertion that homosexuality is genetic. Until then, it just comes across as spouting off statements hoping people will take them at face value.

As someone who knows the author of this article well, I can assert with every bit of confidence that he is not the booze drinking frat guy who lives off his parents and marries the pinup doll that Fernando presented him as. Please do your research next time.

Fernando P.B.

posted 11/09/06 @ 11:53 PM CST

aww look, his jesus loving brother came to his rescue, I should feel so bad about privileged republicans and their plight to bring light into this world...aww

PORFAVOR!!!!

Matt H.

posted 11/09/06 @ 11:17 PM CST

After reading this, I am completely, absolutely, nay extremely convinced that Russell Allsup is not gay... yup; he is not homosexual in any way at all.

PS: call me sometime if you get drunk and want to make out!

Lance Webb

posted 11/10/06 @ 1:41 AM CST

Reed Hanson,
In regards to your request for facts and evidence, I offer this reply:
you first.

It took about thirty minutes of research to discover some shakiness in Russell Allsups' cited sources.

These websites were especially interesting:

http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm, November, 10, 2006.

Cameron's dropped.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/Cameron_apaletter.html, November, 10, 2006.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html, November, 10, 2006.

It seems to me that Paul Cameron is a bit of a scientific pariah. I believe his methods offended more than his convictions. Make a special note of Cameron's ejection from the APA (American Psychological Association ). On the UC Davis website on Paul Cameron, I found some more interesting information:

" WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron, a psychologist, was dropped from membership in The American Psychological Association for violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists;

WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has been presented in the media as a sociologist;

WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism;

WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research;

WHEREAS the American Sociological Association is on record as opposing oppressive actions against lesbians and gay men and affirming its commitment to their civil rights;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: THAT the Association reaffirms its opposition to efforts to undermine the civil rights of lesbians and gay men through the distortion of sociological concepts and the falsifying of sociological research; and

THAT the Association articulates this opposition by charging the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology with the task of critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron.

[Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron. (1985, September 10). Lincoln (NE) Star.]"

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html,
November 10, 2006.

Well, how about it, Reed? Does Paul Cameron still qualify as a valid source? I'd like to know your opinion on the matter.

As for Allsups' other source, A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), take note of the year it was published, 1978. The facts are outdated. Here's an explanation:

http://www.counterbias.com/765.html
November 10, 2006.

That's all for now. Expect a response article very soon in the DC. Beyond that, I extend an invitation for an open discussion on this issue, or any other social issue. I can be reached at LWebb@smu.edu.

Tim

posted 11/10/06 @ 3:51 PM CST

Imp sorry I only read through the first page of comments and I haft to say that I am disgusted and horrified. Listen I know everyone has there own opinion and that you should listen to two sides of every story but you people who are saying these things EX: (I am first of all outraged that although this is a free country, people still have the FREEDOM TO HATE) Russell never said anything that would be considered hate he was just acknowledging a disorder or a sin to be honest and in my opinion was he was more sympathetic than I would have been so to all of you who are hating Russell for this you need to be honest with yourself first and then read the article instead skimming and barking out comments that have no truth. My hats off to you Russ GREAT ARTICLE KEEP IT UP!

John

posted 11/10/06 @ 5:45 PM CST

I think these Nazis think we are living in Germany 1938. If you are bothered by the gays or anyone who looks diffrent from you, go somewhere else, I think Texas is known for having big churches, I dont think they would get mad at you if you lived there, I mean it is "Christ's" home. It may be a shock to you ignorant rednecks that at church everyone else thinks like you....go run to your savior's home....RUN!!!

Reed Hanson

posted 11/11/06 @ 1:29 AM CST

Lance, I appreciate your effort in being willing to do some research to respond to my inquiry. Even though I disagree with you, I respect that.

I didn't see how your listed websites necessarily made the case that you were right or that Dr Cameron was no longer a credible source.

Here is the Preamble section of the Code of Ethics that Dr Cameron supposedly violated:

"Psychologists are committed to increasing scientific and professional knowledge of behavior and people's understanding of themselves and others and to the use of such knowledge to improve the condition of individuals, organizations, and society. Psychologists respect and protect civil and human rights and the central importance of freedom of inquiry and expression in research, teaching, and publication. They strive to help the public in developing informed judgments and choices concerning human behavior. In doing so, they perform many roles, such as researcher, educator, diagnostician, therapist, supervisor, consultant, administrator, social interventionist, and expert witness. This Ethics Code provides a common set of principles and standards upon which psychologists build their professional and scientific work.

This Ethics Code is intended to provide specific standards to cover most situations encountered by psychologists. It has as its goals the welfare and protection of the individuals and groups with whom psychologists work and the education of members, students, and the public regarding ethical standards of the discipline.

The development of a dynamic set of ethical standards for psychologists' work-related conduct requires a personal commitment and lifelong effort to act ethically; to encourage ethical behavior by students, supervisees, employees, and colleagues; and to consult with others concerning ethical problems."

The wording of this makes is quite possible that the APA has an agenda of supporting homosexuality based on their obligation in the Preamble to "protect civil rights" which they've shown in other places on their website to mean in relation to homosexual activity. They go so far as to declare in Principle E of their General Principles that they "respect differences... based on sexual orientation." Sounds to me like Dr Cameron questioned the establishment, and so he was ostracized. So much for free speech.

Of course you'll also notice Cameron rebuts all of the APA's contentions at http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_APA-rebuttal.html. And he also explains his methods and compares his results to other studies.

Kevin Wooten

posted 11/12/06 @ 2:53 PM CST

I do not go to SMU. I live in Los Angeles and have heard a great deal of people defending homosexual rights. I am sick of it! People do not defend an alcoholics, drug addicts, or prostitutes. We say they need help, the same stand should be taken on homosexuals. They need help, you are not born gay! You are not born transgender. You are born human. All of you who critisized Mr. Allsup for his belifes and claimed that this article was about hate. You all who claimed that this articale was about hate should read your own comments. Some of you also called Mr. Allsup an idiot and even a Natzi, have you personally met him, could you say that to his face? How dare you make a claim about being a Natzi. People hate to hear the truth and look for any way around it. I have known Mr. Allsup for many years and I can tell you that even if you all had it in you to say this to his face he whould still shake your hand and be willing to give you the shirt off of his back. Does it seem odd that its hard for people to "come out of the closet"? Thats because its not right! It is a sin, one that is the same as any other in Gods eyes. But as humans every sin has consequenses some more than outhers. One of the worst sins is a sexual sin as far as the effects on the body and mind. But to God sin is sin he cannot look at sin, God is perfect and loved us so much that he sacrificed his son so that whoever accepts him will live eternally! That same God loves you and is waiting. You want to talk about accepting people for who they are. Jesus accepts everone no matter what he accepted you so much that he died for every sin that you will ever commit. Will you die for your beliefs? Are they worth it? When your head hits the pillow tonight can you live with not knowing the outcome of your fate? We all sin but by accepting Jesus your sin is paid fully. Thank you for your time and God bless.

Kevin Wooten

Rhys L.

posted 11/13/06 @ 8:23 PM CST

What's a "natzi"? I've never heard of them before. I found your writing to be unoriginal, unconvincing and poorly written. Maybe you picked up your bigotry at the same place you received your second-rate early education?

Mark Vilen

posted 11/19/07 @ 12:57 AM CST

Originally posted by

Kevin Wooten

I do not go to SMU. I live in Los Angeles and have heard a great deal of people defending homosexual rights. I am sick of it! People do not defend an alcoholics, drug addicts, or prostitutes. We say they need help, the same stand should be taken on homosexuals. They need help, you are not born gay! You are not born transgender. You are born human. All of you who critisized Mr. Allsup for his belifes and claimed that this article was about hate. You all who claimed that this articale was about hate should read your own comments. Some of you also called Mr. Allsup an idiot and even a Natzi, have you personally met him, could you say that to his face? How dare you make a claim about being a Natzi. People hate to hear the truth and look for any way around it. I have known Mr. Allsup for many years and I can tell you that even if you all had it in you to say this to his face he whould still shake your hand and be willing to give you the shirt off of his back. Does it seem odd that its hard for people to "come out of the closet"? Thats because its not right! It is a sin, one that is the same as any other in Gods eyes. But as humans every sin has consequenses some more than outhers. One of the worst sins is a sexual sin as far as the effects on the body and mind. But to God sin is sin he cannot look at sin, God is perfect and loved us so much that he sacrificed his son so that whoever accepts him will live eternally! That same God loves you and is waiting. You want to talk about accepting people for who they are. Jesus accepts everone no matter what he accepted you so much that he died for every sin that you will ever commit. Will you die for your beliefs? Are they worth it? When your head hits the pillow tonight can you live with not knowing the outcome of your fate? We all sin but by accepting Jesus your sin is paid fully. Thank you for your time and God bless.

Kevin Wooten


Mr. Wooten:
You are right on the money. Homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, but it is sin nonetheless. We live in a culture that says if you point out sin, you are hateful, or "homophobic."
Common sense tells us that it was not the creator's intention for healthy sexuality to be sodomy between two men. Our bodies were not designed for that. Homosexuality is not a "choice" as some Christians wrongly point out, but it is a "deception of the flesh." Only coming to Christ can give a person struggling with homosexuality the proper sexual identity they were meant to have.

Mark Vilen

Mohamed Juseff Allah

posted 11/12/06 @ 10:55 PM CST

More Nazi jargon....blah blah hate blah blah, hate, blah blah, ignorance, blah, blah blah, jesus-loving, blah blah blah. The truth hurts, all of those writing against gays are republican, christian, white and you guessed it, Male.

may Allah bless you all for your intolerance and ignorance.

IDIOTS!!!

Reed Hanson

posted 11/29/06 @ 11:24 PM CST

Rhys L: Your best response to Mr. Wooten is to criticize him for misspelling Nazi? That's all you have to say? I'd venture to guess that the ground your argument stands on must be pretty flimsy if that's the best you can do. I wish you well in the future and hope that you come to know the fullness of a life in Christ. Mr. Wooten appears to have a first-rate education in what really matters: that Jesus Christ took the form of man (and although he was and is God, humbled himself) and died on a cross for all of mankind, asking only that they believe in Him as Lord and Savior.

Mohamed Juseff Allah: I pray to God for your heart, for it appears very, very lost. Your comment is littered with the very same intolerance and ignorance that you claim to be against. If you remove the slanderous names from your post, it appears like this:

"More [name deleted] jargon....blah blah [name deleted] blah blah, [name deleted], blah blah, [name deleted], blah, blah blah, [name deleted], blah blah blah. The truth hurts, all of those writing against gays are [name deleted], [name deleted], [name deleted] and you guessed it, [name deleted].

may Allah bless you all for your intolerance and ignorance."

I pray that you might pick up a Bible and read it. Those who so often jump all over Christians have never picked one up. I'd be happy to trade a Bible for a Koran if that's what it takes. I simply want to show the uninitiated that the Bible is not even close to intolerant, ignorant, etc. It's the greatest love story ever told (God toward man). But there is divine justice, and Mr Allsup simply seeks to be God's ambassador (2 Corinthians 5:20-21) in order to save those who demonstrate destructive habits.

Christina

posted 4/20/09 @ 9:33 PM CST

I personally struggle with homosexuality, and appreciate the sympathy expressed in this article. I stumbled upon it while google-ing, and am shocked to find a point of view that is not full of hatred. I agree whole-heartedly that to follow Jesus Christ means to love, obey, and honor the biblical commandments. Several times I have pondered a life of solitude versus my life as a wife. Ultimately, I think that God has a place for each of us, and to honor Him means that we abandon selfish desires.
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